IMPACT Reflections

First of all, it was a deep joy to spend time with Bill Sloat. Doug Molgaard mentioned in a comment that it felt more like a dialogue rather than a conversation and that may be because Bill and I were having a conversation that ran beyond the scheduled times. Bill and I talking at Chipolte's, eating really hot! Mexican food, was one of the highlights for me. We should schedule all of the breakouts in good Mexican restraunts.
In the breakouts, there were three kinds of questions/conversations.
1. Our church needs something to change in order to engage our youth/young adults. Do you have any ideas? (This is a tip of the iceberg question and could not be answered in a short breakout. This isn't a program.)
2. Some traditional churches and Mega churches don't like what you guys are saying. Can't we all get along? (I hope so.)
3. This isn't the group I expected to be involved in this conversation. Where are all the emerging pastors? Why aren't they here? (This is a really important question.)
When I was asked about the group afterward, I likened it to a class on hunting lions, but the lessons took place in a zoo. The lions in the zoo had given up long ago trying to kill their own meals and looked up at us from their naps with annoyance. The expansion of the Kingdom of God occurs in the wild, where the lion is used to killing and you are truly in danger, where when you walk near a lion's territory, he arises and begins a strut that communicates fear into your heart. It is then that you know that you need God! I'll admit that I still like to stay in the truck. I have friends that walk right out into the thicket. I'm not yet that brave.
Bob Roberts posted an excerpt from a Brennan Manning (I don't recognize that name) book called The Relentless Love of Jesus, where he compares some churches to pioneers and others to settlers. It is well worth the read and may be required reading to understand the rest of this post. I love the church, the whole church, and the problem is that the pioneers among us understand my image of the jungle and the zoo and the settlers among us don't understand it.
My desire is that we set a direction for the church that includes both pioneers and settlers, working together, as they must for the church to survive. Some pioneers laugh as they read the Brennan Manning excerpt and think, "We should burn the settlements and force the settlers to become pioneers." One pioneer said to me lately that world geopolitical forces (my words, not his) will probably displace the settlers soon enough. He meant that America will soon become like Europe, a land barren of most Christianity (more about this in a minute.)
Settlers read this and think... You know, I'm not sure what they think. I mostly wonder what they think about the description of the Holy Spirit in settler theology being the bar maid (soothing) as opposed to the Holy Spirit pioneer theology of being a buffalo hunter (scary, but creating opportunity). That is a conversation I would love to have over some good coffee.
This is really a key for the future of the church as the church, the whole church, thinks about future direction. In fact, the church needs to address these issues as a whole and set some direction. As a pioneer (though a somewhat timid one), I'd like to say I am willing to come to that table.
I recently received a "Wake Up Call" from Battlecry.com. Battlecry includes Kay Arthur, Tommy Barnett, Chuck Colson, Jerry Falwell, Kirk Franklin, Jack Graham, Joyce Meyer, John Maxwell, Josh McDowell, Greg Laurie, Bob Reccord, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard, and Jay Strack. They also mention Ron Luce, Wellington Boone, Kirbyjon Caldwell, Irishea Lewis, IV Hilliard, and Jack Hayford.
The cover of the mailing says,
"Wake up Call. Christianity won't survive another decade... unless we do something now."
On the inside cover, they say,
"A Call To Arms. This generation of teens is the largest in history -- and current trends show that only 4% will be evangelical believers by the time they become adults. Compare this with 34% of adults today who are evangelicals. We are on the verge of a catastrophe.
Imagine an America at 4%:
Church attendance dwindles
Tithes and offerings are at an all time low
New church buildings sit empty
Life giving sermons go unheard
The role of a church leader becomes irrelevant.
We can't let this happen! As senior pastors, we cannot sit idle and allow this trend to take its course. We must take action NOW!"
Help me out. This sounds like Settler Theology. The courthouse will lose it's power. The pastor will no longer be mayor. We won't be able to maintain our beautiful new courthouse. No one will come and hear our sermons.
The Pioneer, however, doesn't fear this at all. He isn't trying to hang on to anything. He has loaded up his wagon and has started looking for new territory, where the buffalo are plentiful. He isn't worried about defending anything because the Holy Spirit is the one with the gun! He isn't building glorious buildings. He is setting up a tent and maybe some hunting blinds, which are centers for the community, so that the lost person does come to him or least into the vicinity.
From my point of view, the settlers have to realize their settlements are truly at risk but sounding the "Battlecry" is most likely not the best direction. Maybe the settlement church isn't being attacked; rather, it is being abandoned. You can't defend against abandonment.
The best direction may be to follow the pioneers and settle new settlements. Pioneers will need settlers to settle the newly conquered frontier. But the pioneers need to understand that the settlers are quite settled and have long since burned their wagontrain wagons long ago (in fact two or three generations back) and really don't want to become unsettled. But the pioneers will have to help the settlers make the move. They need them.
Some settlers won't move. But we can't wait forever. Some pioneers will leave us behind, but they will have trouble sustaining their ministry.
There is a great conversation to be had here, and even a glorious future for the church, but only if the settlers and the pioneers realize they need each other and come to the table soon, not to sound a battlecry, but to follow the Holy Spirit into the wilderness and establish new settlements.
19 Comments:
perhaps the answer is to let the settlers settle and die out. The pioneers move on and start something alive and vibrant (which too will eventually die out). The issue is not being afraid of the popular and influential voices of the settlers who are calling you names and trying to hinder the moving of the spirit...
Thanks for posting the update on your breakout session. I was especially intrigued by question #3:
3. This isn't the group I expected to be involved in this conversation. Where are all the emerging pastors? Why aren't they here?
What exactly were they expecting? Did you not have enough piercings or cool enough hair or something? Were you too old? I mean, what exactly makes an "emerging pastor"?
Actually questions # 1 and # 2 were asked outloud. Question # 3 was never spoken outloud but I think a few of us asked it in our heads. It was that there weren't church planters at IMPACT. There weren't a ton of youth pastors at IMPACT, at least only one came to our breakout. There weren't any (many) younger 30 something year old pastors or late 20 something year old pastors. I was close to the youngest person in the room and I'm 40.
I don't think this was any statement about the value of the emerging church in the CGGC. I think it has a lot to do with what IMPACT has been and what it might become. It is in a transitional time.
Actually questions # 1 and # 2 were asked outloud. Question # 3 was never spoken outloud but I think a few of us asked it in our heads. It was that there weren't church planters at IMPACT. There weren't a ton of youth pastors at IMPACT, at least only one came to our breakout. There weren't any (many) younger 30 something year old pastors or late 20 something year old pastors. I was close to the youngest person in the room and I'm 40.
I don't think this was any statement about the value of the emerging church in the CGGC. I think it has a lot to do with what IMPACT has been and what it might become. It is in a transitional time.
I like the balance Brian brings to the "settler" and "pioneer" situation. I probably have bits of both in me, and have too often been guilty of thinking we (when I'm in a pioneer mood) need to just leave the settlers in our dust and let them die... Only to later be helped back up by one of these kind souls (settlers) and graciously nurtured back to health. At other times (when in a settler mood) I watch a pioneer run off the edge of a cliff, and want to say "I told you so", but I don't because I realize he was headed in the right direction.
Both groups have always been around, and both will always be necessary. I think we would do much better to learn to work together than to work against one another. Something about that "love one another" thing just always gets me.
Regarding "emerging pastors"... why do we always think they have to be church planters, youth pastors, or under 30? I admit, I have, but I think it's a typecast that doesn't fit. I think it's part of our "golden calf" mentality that wants a visible image; it's the thinking 'why even invite David, we know he's not king material'. Not sure how we 'emerge' from that. Just my opinion.
It was that there weren't church planters at IMPACT.
Sorry, I was busy... planting a church. ;)
What exactly were they expecting? Did you not have enough piercings or cool enough hair or something?
I showed up and didn't have a goatee...
Apparently even Billy Graham is an 'emerging pastor' now. SmartChristian.com quotes Ingrid (I refuse to link to her site) about a Newsweek article on Dr. Graham, saying:
"Dr. Graham is sounding a lot like Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, Erwin McManus and the host of other postmodern heretics who prefer questions to answers, mystery to knowledge, and so forth."
I don't think he fits the look of an emerging pastor either.
Dan, you should post about the Graham article on the main page. It's worth discussing as it's own topic.
Dan H. wrote -
"Regarding 'emerging pastors'... why do we always think they have to be church planters, youth pastors, or under 30?"
Overall, I agree with your comment.
What concerns me about the emerging movement isn't that it limits the field to an age, but that there appears to be a growing divide between practicioners and scholars. With the death of Stanley Grenz much more than his work was lost - I think there might have been a loss of respect for academics as well.
Here is what I mean, and obviously this is just my opinion - When a critic of the emerging movement voices an opinion (yes, they are often scholars like D.A. Carson, Millard Erickson, etc.) there appears to be a reaction like "he's just an academic, but I am on the frontline doing REAL ministry, so what does he know?" This may be part of the arrogance that others have critiqued.
If anything, I would like to see the development of more scholar-pastors/pastor-scholars who can navigate through this current emergence of the emergent movement.
My fear, back to what Dan wrote, isn't just that there appears to be too much of a concern about specific role and age, but that the growing opinion appears to be that only pastors on the frontline of ministry have anything worthwhile to offer.
I write this as a 31 year-old pastor who is on the frontline of ministry. I have served as a full-time church planter and youth pastor. None of this makes me any more qualified than anyone else, but I thought I would share it.
When a critic of the emerging movement voices an opinion (yes, they are often scholars like D.A. Carson, Millard Erickson, etc.) there appears to be a reaction like "he's just an academic, but I am on the frontline doing REAL ministry, so what does he know?"
Really? I haven't noticed this at all in the emerging church (and I'm pretty well immersed in it). If anything, I've noticed the EC becoming more scholarly in the past 6 years or so that I've been a part of it. When I first discovered the emerging church (and it wasn't called that back then) it was all mainly about ministry styles and methods - i.e. all practical stuff. But in the past few years I've seen an increasing trend towards deep theological reflection among those most involved in the movement (though of course there are still those for whom "emerging" just means coffee, candles, and prayer stations).
There are many "emergent" scholars I could mention (both scholars that would self-identify as "emergent" as well as ones whom the EC is listening to but who would not call themselves emergent): people like NT Wright, John Franke, Scot McKnight, Andrew Perriman, Miroslav Volf, Walter Wink, Bruce Benson, Walter Bruggeman, Tony Jones, and Brian Walsh (not to mention all the scholars in sister movements, like the Missional Church guys, or the Radical Orthodoxy guys).
The problem with scholars like Carson and Erickson is not that they are scholars, it's that they grossly misrepresent the things that they are attempting to critique. You could say that the problem is that they are not being scholarly enough when it comes to their criticisms of the EC. They haven't done their research, and then they lash out without really knowing what they're talking about.
Mike,
Thanks for the list of scholars. If I worked in politics, this is where I would have my PR person come out and say, "What the Congressman meant to say was..."
But, since I have no one else, I will simply say I was wrong.
Thanks - your list (NT Wright, John Franke, Scot McKnight, Andrew Perriman, Miroslav Volf, Walter Wink, Bruce Benson, Walter Bruggeman, Tony Jones, and Brian Walsh) is helpful.
Brent
Hey Brent,
You might not be wrong. You might have just observed a different part of the EC than I have. I wouldn't be surprised if there were those practitioners who disdain academics. But the core of the movement that I'm familiar with has definitely taken an intellectual turn in recent years.
Peace,
-Mike
Greetings from a slightly tanned old wolf (vieuxloup)back from vacation during which time I had the opportunity to read. By the look of the blog I have some more reading to do and I will, but today just two notes I will call Impact update. I almost didn't take "Is belief in God Good, Bad or Irrelevent" but I am glad I did. I appreciated the imperfect,ongoing conversation between Preston Jones and Greg Gaffin. Most of the perfect conversations I have had occurred after I shut up and went home and then thought of what I could have said. So I enjoyed what I read and I will be loaning the book out shortly.
What I really wanted to share was this quote from another one of those vacation books--Orthodoxy--by G.K. Chesterton "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I put the last touches to it, I discovered it was orthodoxy." That really hit me because for years I have had some ideas about the church that were not shared by my colleagues. This blog and the breakout sessions at Impact are leading me to the conclusion that my heresy may be orthodoxy. (By the way,am I one of those unexpected suprises at the breakout session? I am an old gaffer.)
Brian, Regarding settlers and pioneers I think Manning missed one category. I finally had the opportunity to read the chapter last night and as I thought it over I tried to place myself. I think I may hold a position that Manning missed. What about the guy that runs the General Store?
Neither the settler or the pioneer can go very far without him. He serves them both, everybody needs to restock.
We need both groups in the kingdom but we also need a place to stop and
replenish while also engaging in some great conversation.
You're all invited to my store. I love you all.
Hey Old Wolf,
Do you have that Manning book? Is there any chance I could borrow it? I'd pay some postage. For that matter, does anybody have The Relentless Love of Jesus by Brennon Manning? It is hard to find, and I'd like to look it over.
Brian, The book will be in the mail as soon as I confirm your address. Anything else by Manning you want--Ragamuffin Gospel, Abba's Child?
Lou,
My address is 1313 S 6th ST, Mattoon, IL 61938. My email is bedrock3@gmail.com. I don't have your email. If you email me, I'll invite you to be a member of the blog as well as be able to correspond offline.
Thanks,
Brian
Ragamuffin Gospel is one of my favorite books by Manning. I recommend it highly.
We made it back to Sweden safely!
Thanks for your prayers.
Doug
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