Sunday, December 03, 2006

Mark Driscoll Apologizes (for real this time), Protest Canceled

I'm glad to say that Mark Driscoll and one of his elders recently chose to sit down with several of their critics (including Paul Chapman of PAF - the protest organizers, Rich and Rose Swetman, Nancy & Tom Murphy, Dwight Friesen, and Sandy Brown) in the interest of understanding and reconciliation regarding Mark's insensitive remarks on his Ted Haggard post, and the resulting reaction in the blogosphere.

By all accounts it was a fruitful conversation. Rose said that everyone felt "heard" and all sides were able to share about the hurt and damage that the other's words had caused (Mark about the hurt that the "misogyny" label has caused him & his church, and the others about the hurt caused by Mark's inflammatory language and use of feminine terms as pejoratives - e.g. "chickified".)

Paul gives a good overview of the outcomes at the People Against Fundamentalism blog. He says that the objectives of their planned protest have been met and therefore the protest is off. (Just for reference, the three objectives were 1) to alert the city of Seattle to Mark’s pejorative language; 2) to see Mark removed as a religion columnist for The Seattle Times; 3) to see a sincere apology from Mark for his comments and a pledge to cease demeaning women in the future. - Mark was removed as a columnist by The Seattle Times this past week.) In return, Paul apologized for his "over-the-top" use of the term misogynist to describe Mark.

Another result of the meeting is that Mark has posted a real apology this time at his blog, in which he states:
"I came to the meeting expecting God would speak to me through fellow Christians and had much joy because He did. I learned that my theological convictions, even the most controversial ones, are as unwavering as ever. But I also learned that as my platform has grown, so has my responsibility to speak about my convictions in a way that invites other people to experience charity from me, which means inflammatory language and such need to be scaled back. I was also sad and sorry to hear that various things I have said over the years have been received very personally by some people who felt personally attacked."


While I might hope that Mark would eventually change his mind on his theology as well, I know that was not a realistic outcome for this particular meeting. If they've at least convinced him to tone down the rhetoric and be more respectful with his words, that definitely a good start. Overall, I think this meeting was the best possible outcome for this whole ordeal and I really respect the maturity and grace demonstrated by all involved.

I'm also grateful for people like Paul and Rose who had the courage to speak up against Mark's behavior, and were willing to take criticism of their own for it. For those who thought the threat of protest was a little "extreme" or even "un-Christian", I wonder, would this meeting have been able to take place without it? Would a few angry blogposts been enough to get Mark's attention and lead him to the reflection and repentance his most recent post has indicated? Somehow I doubt it. This is exactly the kind of hoped-for outcome that makes some protests worthwhile.

11 Comments:

Blogger Douglas Molgaard said...

It is good when peace can be made among the brethren. I fell to see where the apology is in his statement. He doesn't come right out and say I am sorry or forgive me. It just seems he will be more careful how he says things.

I think this has been a good lesson for everybody. There is a lot of different theology in the Kingdom but we all still need to love one another. I think that it is sad that there are Christians that will protest with non-Christians anti- Christians against Christians.

From Marks post:
"In addition, as much as we could tell from the online discussions, many who were leading the protest claimed to be Christians, and some even Christian pastors. Joining in the fray seemed to be an eclectic mix of non-Christians and anti-Christians who supported nearly every form of alternative lifestyle."

I think what Rich and Rose Swetman and the other did was the right way of handling the situation but a threat of a protest by Christians is wrong.

Now lets all just hold hands and sing, "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me..."

12/03/2006 9:09 AM  
Blogger Douglas Molgaard said...

I fail to see...

Swedish gets the best of me!

12/03/2006 12:43 PM  
Blogger Mike Clawson said...

You're right Doug, Mark's apology could have been a little more specific. I guess it comes when he says "I was also sad and sorry to hear that various things I have said over the years have been received very personally by some people who felt personally attacked."

Anyhow, Paul thought it was sufficient, so I'll take his word for it.

12/03/2006 2:56 PM  
Blogger Mike Clawson said...

"I think that it is sad that there are Christians that will protest with non-Christians anti- Christians against Christians."

I actually thought this was a good thing, that Christians are willing to work together with non-Christians in the cause of justice. Who cares what types of "alternative lifestyles" are represented at the protest? Why does that matter? I think it's good that we can join in common cause with others, despite our points of disagreement.

And I especially think it's good that Christians can start holding each other accountable for our words and actions in the public sphere. I think it turns people off to Christianity when they don't see us holding our own accountable. Like when the Catholic Church tries to sweep the pedophile priest thing under the rug. So if Mark is going to publically say things that are offensive to others, I think it shouldn't just be non-Christians who speak up against it. I think we need to be right there alongside them saying "You're right, this is unacceptable."

But that's just my opinion.

12/03/2006 3:04 PM  
Blogger dan said...

My initial reactions to this are: (1) Do you suppose Paul’s apology is “for real”? (2) Is it just me, or does it seem like the People Against Fundamentalism’s whole “ministry” is to point out the wrongs of Christians they don’t agree with? (3) I wonder what PAF would do if someone threatened a protest against them?

But after thinking about it, I REALLY AM glad that everyone kissed and made up, because I am basically just sick of the whole thing.

12/03/2006 3:08 PM  
Blogger Mike Clawson said...

Well, Rose said that Paul seemed genuinely sorry, and since I know her personally I'll trust her take on it.

12/03/2006 3:15 PM  
Blogger Douglas Molgaard said...

I agree Dan that Pauls apology was a little lame. Mike, I agree that Christians and the others can disagree and speak up against injustice together even if it is against other Christians. I just think that there is a better way then a protest on the Christian side.

12/04/2006 1:50 AM  
Blogger Mike Clawson said...

Let's see, in his apology, Paul said:
"Finally, Lief Moi and Mark both expressed the pain that the label of ‘misogynist’ had caused them. As my injury was public, I believe that a public apology is necessary. So, Mark: I do regret and am sorry for applying the over-the-top and hurtful label of ‘misogynist’ to you while making this stand against using feminine language in hurtful ways. I am sorry for using pejorative language in denouncing pejorative language."

What exactly do you find lacking or "lame" about this apology? Mark and Lief shared that the label misogynist hurt them, and Paul came to understand that and publically apologized for it. What more were you wanting to see?

I also find it ironic to call Paul's apology "lame" when it's difficult to even figure out where exactly Mark actually apologized in his post. At least Paul clearly and unequivocally said "I was hurtful and I'm sorry." In Mark's case I kind of have to take Paul's and Rose's word for it that what Mark wrote actually counts as a public apology.

Anyhow, I'm not sure why we have to diminish the act of public reconciliation by arguing over whose apology was more sincere. Let's just celebrate that understanding and peaceful resolution was achieved.

12/04/2006 8:49 AM  
Blogger Douglas Molgaard said...

Amen Mike! And I will start the song..."Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me (Sing along)..."

12/04/2006 8:56 AM  
Blogger Mike Clawson said...

Just an update: Several local Seattle papers reported on Mark's apology and the subsequent cancellation of the protest:
Seattle Times
Seattle PI

12/04/2006 7:32 PM  
Blogger Douglas Molgaard said...

God's Word: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. -Jesus

12/08/2006 2:09 AM  

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