Can We Double in Ten Years?
I have returned from three days at General Conference sessions, which occur once every three years. While my wife was driving home, I decided to take pen to paper and write down my reflections of the three days.
My thoughts are firmly couched in the knowledge that I have had a hand in preparing our own annual conference (Midwest, July 17-19)and that my criticisms will probably be true about my own planning. Also, it must be noted that I didn't attend every minute. I missed some crucial pieces by my own admission. But being a bit more post-modern than modern, we need to learn to expect that people won't sit through three days of anything. (Though I was amazed how many did.)
The event was not planned for impact. One person told me it was "a necessary evil." I'm assuming it is a necessary cog in the CGGC wheel, not fancy, not inspiring, but necessary to maintain organization. These events are often judged less by impact but by the lack of what seems like hateful debate, which used to be a regular occurrence at such meetings. There was no hateful debate, but I would think there was also little impact either.
Here are four reasons I don't think it was planned for impact.
1. Rick Rusaw wasn't advertised. This is perhaps the top reason I came. But looking at the schedule, I couldn't even immediately tell when he was speaking. And while I'm speaking of Rusaw, I thought he was tremedously engaging and wondered if he couldn't have become the center-piece of the conference, speaking the first night, and developing our vision and mission around the passion that he brought.
2. No messages were recorded. If this was a water-shed moment in the CGGC, it would have been beneficial to have recordings of the sermons, especially Ed Rosenberry's. All of the powerpoint slides should be available online, etc. Archives need to stop being an afterthought, and we need to archive with a live feed.
3. Reports were prepared to suggest progress but not give much overview of ministries. I thought the best report was from University of Findlay (both the president and Will Miller) who combined stories with an overall view of the ministry.
4. Business was done to jump constitutional hoops rather than to inspire people. This was most noticable in the acceptance of the proposed international body of national churches, which I may post about later. What was interesting to me there was that the Haitian and Indians were there, but made no comment and were not asked for a comment.
This is all really no surprise and it is what we've become used to. But here is why I write at all -- Ed Rosenberry, the newly installed Executive Director of the CGGC, said in his sermon, "Is there any reason the CGGC can't double in size in ten years?"
Well, I think this is what he said. I wasn't there. It's my own fault. My family came out with me and I chose that night to spend with them rather than miss Rusaw the next night. It was a mistake on my part. I heard it was a good message. So I asked for the tape. There is no recording. Does Ed have a hard copy? Do I even have the question right? And if the question is right, there are a number of reasons we can't double in ten years. And perhaps he addressed them, but only for the people in attendance. In what way do we want to double in ten years? If it is only a drain of dying churches pouring into our tribe, then it would not be as meaningful. A message that addressed these issues should find a way to infiltrate every level, and certainly not rely on the word of mouth of those in attendance. Perhaps it will. Perhaps it is Ed's plan to begin laying this plan out before us in a way that undergird every communication that comes from the central office, but to be truly viral, it is a message that should begin to pop up in conversations everywhere. It should be an out of control conversation.
The way forward is to not let the question die. So I post it here. Can we double in ten years? What would have to happen? Something substantial for sure. We currently have little momentum to carry us.
There were other conversations worth having that started from the lecturn at General Conference. Lance Finley made some comments worthy of discussion about the future of the faith of youth. Earl Mills made some comments worthy of discussion about vision and how it should manifest itself. Perhaps others did as well, and I missed them while in search of coffee. Perhaps a conversation about Rusaw's words.
We may see in the responses to this post a temperature taken. How hot is the CGGC to expand the Kingdom of God?
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I wasn't there either, so I'll just assume that Ed asked "Can we double in ten years?"
Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it should be done.
So, my first thought/question is "Should we double in ten years?"
Hello all,
My name is Jim Wilder and I work at and attend WTS. I posted a couple of times last fall, but life (actually seminary homework) intervened and I have not been able to even lurk around the blog like I used to. Anyway…I checked it today and wanted to offer a couple of comments about this week’s session.
First, I was given the task of being sound guy*** so I definitely heard everything that happened (although I certainly did not pay attention to a lot of it). I definitely agree that many of the reports and business items were more hoops than anything (it will be interesting to see what happens with this international thing).
Second, regarding Pastor Ed’s message. He said something like (and I’m definitely not quoting here) he sees no reason why the CGGC can’t double in the next decade. He did comment on what that would take (and I believe he did ask if we should and are prepared to double) and presented a missional Kingdom perspective challenging how we see people (outside the church). I think (and hope and pray!) he will bring some great visionary leadership to that office.
Finally, I agree that for most people, the vision of all the speakers probably didn’t make it out the door in the minds of many of those in attendance. However, I do think it is a big step that the leadership (as well as WTS as a whole and many individuals like yourselves) are at least saying the same or similar things now. I understand that talk is cheap, but from what I’ve heard from people who have been around a lot longer than I have it was very uncommon for people to share so much in common in vision. Dr. Draper was discussing this with our staff today and was very excited about this unity.
So…what will happen? Will anything happen? I don’t know. I’d like to think that this at least challenged some people to think even if as of now they have no intention to change. We’ve experienced a lot of rumbles of God at work recently at WTS so I think there is change on the horizon, but it’s going to take a lot of work.
I’m not sure if this post is helpful or not. Seems to be just my own personal thought rambles, but I hope it makes some sense.
Grace and peace,
Jim
***PS – I’ll take some of the blame on the recording comment. No one mentioned it and I never thought of it until half way through Rusaw’s message. I agree that it definitely should have been recorded. Mea culpa.
I was there when Ed spoke. I actually have some notes from some of the messages. According to what I wrote down and from my memory, Ed didn't actually specifically refer to doubling in size. Based on my notes he didn't ask a question; he made a statement. What I have is:
"I see no reason why we can't double in the next ten years."
I assumed at the time that he was referring to worship attendance, but I recall thinking that he didn't say that--that he was nonspecific. I recall wondering if he did that intentionally.
As a member of the Renewal Commission in the East, I've been thinking about the challenge of doubling in attendance in ten years. Yikes!
George Bullard who faciliated the Renewal Consultation which ultimately led to the writing of the job description for the new Director of Church Renewal General Conference staff position argued to us that 60% of congregations are not ready to move toward achieving what he calls their "full kingdom potential"--that they are in the process of dying.
Based on what I see in the Eastern Region, he is correct. That would mean that between 80 and 90 of our churches will do well just to maintain attendance figures in the next 10 years.
For us, that doubling would have to be the result of growth in 40% of our churches and a large number of very successful church plants.
That is, if Ed meant to give us the goal of doubling in attendance in the next 10 years.
In the Eastern Region, our definition of renewal is built on the understand that there are four dimensions in following Jesus:
1. TRUTH, i.e., the faithful belief in and proclamation of 'healthy' doctrine. Second Timothy 4 talks about people not putting up with 'sound doctrine.' The Greek word there actually refers to healthy, not historic and orthodox teaching.
2. SPIRITUALITY. Piety. Prayer. Fasting. The taking of the Lord's Supper. The spiritual disciplines.
3. STRATEGIC WISDOM. (What we normally focus on these days in renewal, in the East anyway.) The writing of mission and vision statemments and core values. Prospecting. Facility maintenance.
4. OBEDIENCE. Sermon on the Mount lifestyle. Externally focused ministry. Missionality. Confrontation of sin.
We are of the opinion, that our calling is to be true to the Lord in those four areas of devotion and that the actual numerical growth is up to Him.
All that to say, that our call is to devotion to Truth, Spirituality, Wisdom and Obedience.
But doubling the numbers that would be quantifiable by those who measure ministry effectiveness by the "Three Bs:" buildings, bodies and budgets may be beyond our sphere.
I am looking forward to hearing more from Ed regarding his extremely provocative remark.
This is an interesting post, and I'm glad you made it, Brian. Here are my thoughts.
1) I actually heard someone say they didn't get anything out of the Rusaw sermon and worship time. To which someone else said, "Man, you've got a problem!" And I believe they do. But I think this shows that we're all different and it takes different strokes, you know.
2) I was there for Ed's message, and I remember him mentioning the idea of doubling. However I didn't really think it was a main point he was trying to make. I thought it was more of a passing comment. Perhaps even meant to generate more discussion later. I don't really know how I feel about doubling - or whether I really care - but I appreciate someone having balls enough to say things like this.
3) I actually did think there was some impact. At least it impacted me. There was very obviously a theme to the 3 days built around "what do we see". And even though things were much more formal (or maybe liturgical; or traditional) than I am used to, I thought everyone did a good job carrying it out. As Jim said, there was a certain unity.
I think it all just goes to show that what impacts one doesn't impact others (and vice-versa). For instance, when I look at the schedule for the Midwest Region conference - I am worn out already (no offense, Brian - and I don't think it has to do with my displeasure over costs either). BUT... that said, I also agree with every point Brian made. I didn't even know Rusaw was going to be there; I never did have a schedule (do visitors not get one?); I CANNOT BELIEVE WE DON'T RECORD THINGS LIKE THIS (and it's not your fault, Jim); and business is business - I don't care and probably never will. Mostly I agree with what Brian said about Lance - he gave a GREAT report, and (regarding the other post) he NEEDS to start blogging!!! :)
So... that's my $.02.
I now have some notes from someone who was there when Ed preached.
The core of the message was to see people like Jesus does (Mt 9:36).
1)You will see what you love above all else;
2) You will see what you want most;
3) You will see what you diligently seek. Then and only then will you truly find what you see/seek.
The actual statement was: "I can see the CGGC double in a decade. Can you not see it also?"
Doubling in ten years was in reality a by-product of following the vision of Jesus. Our real task is to build up the kingdom and in the course of events our work will grow.
"Before us is an empty chair. What do you see?" That was the concluding remark.
Dan's right. There was a theme. And I had forgotten.
Ed's theme was more about kingdom and that doubling would be a by-product of kingdom expansion rather than a goal in itself. That is very helpful, and Jim mentioned it first. This is where you have to distinguish that the Gospel is bigger than salvations, it is in fact the expansion of God's Kingdom that brings with it abundant truth and abundant grace and transforms disciples into servants of the Lord Almighty.
Since my pictures were posted and I found out about this great site, I thought I would post.
As someone on the outside looking in and not being a life long CGGC'er I hope I can add a little to the conversation.
First, I did attend GC, and yes I agree with many it was lacking something. I don't think it had anything to do with the worship, or the preaching, or the fellowship. All of those things (not that they all were my cup of tea) were fine, in fact encouraging. As for the "business" part of the meeting one thing resounded in my head. It was the thought of where is Jesus in this. Not saying that the people who were doing the business weren't Christians or Godly people. But as for the Business, I didn't see God really receiving glory, I didn't see Jesus actively impacting the world. It was Business.
I have been to some christian business association meetings and found Jesus impacting Business and seeing how He was connecting with people through businesses.
Again I want to make very clear I felt God showed up more than a few times, but being a former Pastor in a couple different denominations this experience from the Business standpoint was a low point.
As for the big "Double our size in ten years," this would be my thoughts.
I think we should take a small lesson from the "Movement" of our guest speaker Rick. They put a huge emphasis on the local church in the form of governing, ministering and planting of churches. In fact their National Convention meeting doesn't have any national business taking place. Their convention focuses primarily on helping the local congregation grow. If you asked me what would most impact my congregation from conference, I would have to say it was the relationships that took place outside the Conference meeting room.
And if that is the case for me, and I heard it was for many other people, then I don't think the GC is going to be the key to growing the church. I think it is going to be up to the Regions and local churches, and as I saw GC was not even well attended by some churches that were even super close, I think the GC needs to focus on empowering regions and churches to grow.
And I believe that is their goal, I just don't think they maybe accomplishing it the best way possible.
If we want to grow I think we all need to network and churches need to help churches.
These are just my thoughts, and they may not be worth much, like I said I'm new, but these are the things I perceived.
God Bless-
Justin Meier
Please pray for River City Church (the Lawrence church plant)
Justin,
Thanks for showing up on the blog.
Please keep in touch with us.
I enjoyed our brief meeting at GC and will keep you and River City Church in my prayers.
Here is an excerpt of an email I received from Ed Rosenberry, who by the way is also the source of his own preaching notes I posted earlier. I had asked him for permission to post his notes but didn't hear back until today, so I posted them without a source.
"I wouldn't have minded if you had used my name as the source. I can't be certain myself what exactly came forth as I preach from an expanded outline using statements and questions to bring home the challenge. Be assured though, my orientation was kingdom not programmatic. The "double in a decade" buzz item was meant to be a mind grabber as a possible picture of the future, not some kind of target. I too want to see the kingdom grow with all my heart and for the Churches of God to be found faithful in doing their part!"
thought I would try to get on again & I'm having nothing but trouble Phil Wilson
I thought conference was good not perfect as many pointed out but good. Over the years ( yeh I'm old) I have been to a lot worse.
I presented the concept of doubling to our congregation on Sunday. Not just to double in numbers but to birth a church - I asked for twins. This was the challenge I have been looking for to stir us up. It was like a new breath just came in and hope built.
I think I will just run with the concept as far as it will take us instead of arguing about what it means.
Phil
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